{"id":71,"date":"2007-08-14T01:16:53","date_gmt":"2007-08-14T00:16:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/assorted-rants\/cylinder-valves-petition-%e2%80%a6\/2007\/08\/14"},"modified":"2008-10-04T00:40:23","modified_gmt":"2008-10-03T23:40:23","slug":"cylinder-valves-petition-%e2%80%a6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/assorted-rants\/cylinder-valves-petition-%e2%80%a6","title":{"rendered":"Cylinder valves petition"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The EU have apparently decided that Nitrox and Trimix tanks should have a different cylinder valve from those which can just be filled with air. This valve will be similar to, but incompatible with, existing DIN fittings.<\/p>\n<p>A British diver has started a Downing Street petition against this.<br \/>\nIf you&#8217;re UK citizen or resident, you can sign up to the petition at?  :<a href=\"http:\/\/petitions.pm.gov.uk\/SCUBA-valves\/\">http:\/\/petitions.pm.gov.uk\/SCUBA-valves\/<\/a>. The closing date is 28<sup>th<\/sup> September 2007.<br \/>\nEven the HSE opposed this new &#8220;standard&#8221;, which seems to have the sole purpose of selling more cylinders.<br \/>\nNow, I&#8217;m not against the EU in general, but this &#8220;standard&#8221; is stupid, inconvenient, expensive and &#8211; worst of all &#8211; downright dangerous.<br \/>\nApparently, there are also petitions in from French, Slovenian, Czech and Portuguese divers.<\/p>\n<p>So why is this so dumb ? <em>(I&#8217;m just going to deal with Nitrox now, as it&#8217;s the most widely used of the gas &#8211; and the one I&#8217;m certified on)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Well, to start off with, the diving agencies are trying to promote Nitrox (and &#8211; to a lesser extent &#8211; trimix) as safer gases. It seems fairly well established that &#8211; when used properly &#8211; they are.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bsac.org\/\">BSAC<\/a> are now introducing (limited) Nitrox certification in its entry-level certification.<br \/>\nBy making it more difficult to switch between air and these Nitrox, that means that fewer divers will try Nitrox, which in turn means a potentially greater incidence of DCI (aka &#8220;the bends&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p>The new measures may mean that these new, safer diving practices may be stillborn.<\/p>\n<p>Nitrox is not available at all fill stations.<br \/>\nSo &#8211; if the new regulations are implemented &#8211; you could be at a dive site with a cylinder you can&#8217;t get filled, even if you have a personal filter to ensure the tank&#8217;s not contaminated.<\/p>\n<h3>Cost factors<\/h3>\n<p>Now, this all could cost a fortune.<br \/>\nIt currently costs about \u00a325 to test a tank (every 2\u00bd years), and about the same for it to be O<sup>2<\/sup> cleaned (every year).<br \/>\nRegulators cost about \u00a350 each to service, and I have four. If I need to double-up on regs, that&#8217;s another \u00a3800 to buy a couple of sets, and another \u00a3100 \/ year to service.<br \/>\nI regularly switch regs between different tanks, according to the requirements of the dive, so there&#8217;s a risk that you&#8217;re going to end up on a boat with regs that don&#8217;t match the tank&#8230;.<br \/>\nAnd that&#8217;s without all of the people who buy the wrong type of regulator &#8211; or cylinder by mistake (this has already reportedly happened, even though the regs don&#8217;t apply yet).<\/p>\n<h3>Standards, standards<\/h3>\n<p>Regulator fitting &#8220;standards&#8221; are already a mess, with the A-clamp used in the US, one of the two (existing) DIN standards in Germany, and a mix of the two in most other countries. This is just going to make the whole thing even messier.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently the new fitting resembles, but is not compatible with, the existing DIN fitting. Just what you need &#8230; something that looks like it ought to fit, when you&#8217;re rocking in a RIB 10 miles offshore &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>So what are the risks that this is trying to avert anyway ?<\/p>\n<h3>Risks to divers<\/h3>\n<p>The main risk to a diver from Nitrox is that they&#8217;ll exceed the &#8220;Maximum Operating Depth&#8221; (MOD) for the gas mix.<\/p>\n<p>However, in this context, 21% (the proportion of oxygen in air) is just another mix. There&#8217;s no &#8220;magic&#8221; about this proportion. It&#8217;s a just a number, which happens to be the ratio of oxygen to nitrogen in our atmosphere at the moment.<\/p>\n<p>Divers training on Nitrox are taught to test their gases.<br \/>\nThey have to provide evidence of their training, and to sign a register for each tank of gas they receive.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no evidence that exceeding the MOD is a common cause of diving incidents.<\/p>\n<h3>Risks to gas mixers<\/h3>\n<p>There is, admittedly, a greater risk to the people at the gas fill stations.<\/p>\n<p>This is mainly because (in most cases) they&#8217;re dealing with pure oxygen, with which the cylinder is primed before being topped up with air. If O<sup>2<\/sup> comes into contact with combustibles (such as hydrocarbons) then the results can be &#8230; well &#8230; undesirable.<\/p>\n<p>This is why fill stations are regulated (by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sita.org.uk\/idestjoin.html\">IDEST<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>For this reason, tanks to be used for Nitrox must be cleaned every year. They are clearly labelled, and won&#8217;t be filled with Nitrox after the expiry date.<\/p>\n<p>A different method (for up to 40% Nitrox) is a &#8220;membrane&#8221; system; these are just starting to find their way into the UK, although they&#8217;re common abroad (particularly on Liveaboard boats, where carrying pure O<sup>2<\/sup> is impractical and risky). These work by filtering out Nitrogen, rather than adding Oxygen.<\/p>\n<p>The advantage of these are that the tanks don&#8217;t really need to be cleaned, as there&#8217;s no risk from pure O<sup>2<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, a Nitrox tank may be filled with &#8220;clean&#8221; (filtered) air. This means that the cylinder is not contaminated for future Nitrox fills.<\/p>\n<p>So &#8230; we may have a tank which needs to be &#8220;clean&#8221; which is filled with 21%, or a tank which can contain 40% Nitrox which doesn&#8217;t actually really need to be clean.<\/p>\n<p>The proposed standard doesn&#8217;t mitigate risks to divers or to gas mixers. It just makes everything more complicated, difficult and expensive.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 0cm\">So who gains out of this ?<br \/>\nWell, only the tank manufacturers and service centres, really.<\/p>\n<p>Background info :<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nitrox\">Wikipedia?  Diving Cylinders<br \/>\nWikipedia &#8211; Nitrox<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"poweredbyperformancing\">Powered by <a href=\"http:\/\/scribefire.com\/\">ScribeFire<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a Downing Street petition against the new EU dive cylinder regulations. Here&#8217;s my (only slightly informed) perspective on why you should sign it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[19],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-71","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-assorted-rants"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=71"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=71"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=71"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/muttznutz.net\/muttzblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=71"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}